James Ross: My Stalker, My Friend

Okay, perhaps “stalker” is a little harsh, since it isn’t as though he’s followed me around from site to site on the internet. He’s stayed in the Employee of 1800Flowers.com thread, getting his attention fix there. His last comment was deleted, since it started off calling his host a “dunce” and a “cluck.” Sorry, pal, but you’re my guest and, as such, you don’t get to be an asshole. If you want to repost the comment like you have more sense, be my guest. Please.

But his prior comment, less obnoxious and “assholish” is worth posting. Perhaps others might like to respond to his questions about “what have atheists done for the world.”

Dear ylooshi, I suggested you google Vitz’s book, not read it. You can glean enough from that. As for your pretense to be scientific, why don’t you googel Stanly Jaki’s books. It’s just a click of the mouse. He is both a scientist and a priest. He demonstrates that the same guys who articulated Transubstantiation also invented western science.
Could you flesh out what you mean by “batshit crazy”. Is that a scientific term? Also, since atheists like you are parasites, holes in the donut, could you list some contributions your ilk have made to the world in the area of science, art, music, literature etc.? How many hospitals and orphanages they have built? I mean, what good are you anyway? What purpose do your icky little lives have? Why do you even bother to crawl out of bed in the morning? In 500 years, where will you be? Who even cares? What difference is it to you what we Catholics believe? C’mon son,vent. Get it all out. Let the healing begin. I am here for you. One more thing; did you say Myers is a “patriot”?!?! Like Jefferson and Franklin? Oh my goddess! you are wild

A look at Google reveals that Vitz was obsessed with demeaning atheism and never made an attempt to empirically test his assertion that atheists were the product of poor fathers. Indeed, Vitz appears to have thought that anyone that didn’t believe in the Judeo-Christian god was an atheist. Not only that, but just <i>believing</i> in this god wasn’t enough, one had to meet certain qualifications, such as regular church attendance or was to be considered an “atheist” in Vitz’s mind. He even went so far as to conclude that he was an atheist since he didn’t attend church, even though he believed in the Judeo-Christian god.

As for Stanley Jaki, I don’t think I need to Google his name, I’m somewhat familiar with the name. If memory serves correct he was (perhaps is) a physicist and argued that the metaphysics and superstitions of the catholic cult made science possible. This argument is easy to dismiss since so much about the Catholic versions of scientific understanding was wrong in medieval times. Moreover, other cultures such as the Vedic, Islamic, and Chinese had an edge up on things like mathematics and astronomy, and chemistry long before Europeans.

By “batshit crazy,” I mean the belief that the body and blood of a long-dead and alleged Messiah, that may or may not have even existed to begin with, replaces a cracker. Such an extraordinary claim has not even a modicum of evidence to support it, nor should one expect such magic and paranormal processes to exist since they don’t appear to anywhere in nature.

But it is this kind of ignorance that truly informs your bigotry: ” I mean, what good are you anyway? What purpose do your icky little lives have? Why do you even bother to crawl out of bed in the morning? In 500 years, where will you be? Who even cares?”

Such arguments by the superstitious have been refuted as fallacious time and time again, so I’ll defer to them. Suffice it to say that atheists have plenty to “crawl out of bed” for and if the only thing that inspires one crawl out of bed is the belief in gods and adhering to the superstitions that go with them, then one is pathetic indeed.

But you also ask of the contributions of atheists to society, which also shows your ignorance. Perhaps you should take your own advice with regard to “Google” and educate yourself as atheists have provided many, many contributions to society and not insignificantly either.

“Also, since atheists like you are parasites, holes in the donut, could you list some contributions your ilk have made to the world in the area of science, art, music, literature etc.?”

I hope you don’t mind the hyperlinks in your own quote. Don’t forget to click “etc.”

Those above are off the top of my head as are: Aldous Huxley, Isaac Asimov, Andrew Carnegie, Ernest Hemingway, Mark Twain, Frank Zappa, Frank Lloyd Wright, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, Jackson Pollack, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Ethan Allen, Albert Einstein, Ayn Rand, Bertrand Russell, Hellen Keller, George Bernard Shaw, Susan B. Anthony, Gloria Steinam, Gene Roddenberry, Kurt Vonegut, Frank Crick, James Watson, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, James Joyce, John Lennon, Sir Alfred Hitchcock, Sir Richard Burton, Oscar Wilde, and the list goes on, and on, and on….

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6 Responses

  1. transubstantiation dates from the 13’th century; the people who came up with this had nothing to do with science.

    In fact, 93 percent of the US Academy of Science is either atheist or agnostic.

    Don’t feed the trolls. 🙂

  2. I would highly suggest for you, and any one else interested to read the book ““The Devil’s Delusion: Atheism and its Scientific Pretensions.” by self-professed secular Jew and mathematics/philosophies teacher David Berlinski.
    This tells the story of a Jew who was forced to dig his own grave prior to being shot by a German soldier. Prior to being shot, the old Jewish man advised the German that “God is watching what you are doing.” The Jewish gentleman pointed what i think is the real problem with atheism. “If you have the time please check the book out

  3. Berlinski, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, a front for Creationist nutters who are hell-bent on imposing Creationist and Judeo-Christian superstitions on American public school children, is hardly a “secular” anything.

    Moreover, his thesis that atheism is the cause of the Holocaust doesn’t follow nor is the argument sound since it implies that nothing else could have caused such a tragedy. There is just as much evidence that makes Roman Catholicism a culprit (Hitler was, after all, a Catholic and regularly attended Mass even as der Fuhrer).

    The only sound and cogent argument is that, left unchecked, human nature can include holocausts, genocides, inquisitions, and wars -only humanist ideals are effective at preventing such atrocities. And humanism need not be atheistic. Jesus, if he actually existed as the legend tells, would have been a humanist.

    Berlinski is merely appealing to the current fad of writing books that capitalize on the success of The God Delusion, with his similar title, and using the new tactic of Creationist nutjobs who are attempting to associate atheism with nazism, Hitler, and the Holocaust. Unfortunately, such arguments readily appeal to the ignorant and deluded since it affirms their already indoctrinated mistrust of the other -those that dare question, criticize, and inquire about religious doctrine and dogma.

  4. Hitler attended Mass?!? Ha! It is speculated that Hitler may have been Baptized or possibly even raised as a Catholic due to the mere fact that he was Austrian. For arguments sake let us assume Hitler was a Catholic. So what? Was he a “good” Catholic? (he wanted the Pope dead afterall). Trying to tar the Church with Hitler’s crimes would be like blaming Judaism for the atrocities perpetrated by Communism because Marx was a Jew. ( You failed to mention both Marx and Hitler in your rogue’s gallery of famous atheists) Sources please as to his attending Mass. Plus, Berlinski wrote a good’un.

  5. http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

    “… today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

    “…Here, too, we can learn by the example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one little syllable of its dogmas… it is only such dogmas which lend to the whole body the character of a faith.”

    Both quotes from Mein Kampf.

    This, too, is enlightening:

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    Baynes, Norman H. (1942). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press [Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 4/12/22].

    With regard to Berlinski, I’m sure anyone deluded with the superstitions of Christian fundamentalism would agree with you. It supports their conclusions and takes no effort or critical thought to accept. Congratulations on that.

  6. Regardless of the above quote, Hitler was NOT a practicing Catholic or Christian of any stripe. It is absurd to even suggest as much. As for the quote, don’t you think Hitler was capable manipulating and lying? As for critical thought, you have yet to show some. Throwing pejoratives and insults doesn’t substitute for logic. Please don’t try to lay Hitler’s hatred for Jews on the Church. It is well known fact that the Church saved Jews. One example is the fact that the chief Rabbi of Rome , Emile Zolli,became a Catholic after the war and took the name Eugenio in honor of Pius XII a.k.a Eugenio Pacelli because of his work in rescuing Jews. He was also praised by Golda Mier for his efforts. I could go on. By the way, I am not a fundamentalist. Still, would you be able to articulate just what is “superstitious” about what Fundies believe? Just saying it doesn’t make it so. Could we say you are a fundamentalist atheist? As for Berlinski, what say ye to his contention that the world had a beginning? Do you deny it?

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